“Flood” follows filmmaker Katy Scoggin as she returns home to California's Inland Empire to reconnect with her estranged father, an elementary science teacher and th
Father unable to accept loss of control over those in his family. Instead of accepting the emotional dissonance & respecting the other person's opinion it becomes an act of defiance. Story of many people's family experience.
I enjoyed Andrew's addition to the family narrative & illustrating his relationship with his grandfather.
This felt exhaustingly familiar. A certain member of my family isn’t THAT religious but is still a Catholic. But what was relatable is the years of frustration over that family member’s limited care of understanding things outside of what they believe to be real.
I grew up in very religious household, creationist, and even questioning the idea that evolution might be real could get you in trouble. It was an embarrassingly long time before I learned about the world through a non - religious perspective. So thankful I got out. It's mean to not teach a child about reality and science. Great documentary! ❤
What would be left in a creationist’s home if everything were removed that was developed and manufactured using science that conflicts with the bible? It seems crazy to me that we are having this argument. I study science. I am a Christian. There is so much room to see the miraculous in the amazing world we live in that doesn’t require denying the science of carbon dating.
I’ll tell you what I don’t miss about my evangelical early is all of the random similes instead of considered thoughtful conversations that stay on topic.
One way I've learned to be forgiving of the adults in my life that helped to indoctrinate me to Christianity, is they were indoctrinated too. They stay for many reasons; true belief, comfort or maybe fear? I am not any smarter because I turned my head and found my way out of the cave. But, I will help to keep the light lite for anyone else that finds their way out of the cave.
I just couldn't do it. I think that I would have to go no contact with my dad under those circumstances. Lucky I don't know my dad and didn't have to worry about it. My maternal grandfather was very much like this though. When I was young and impressionable he loved me. But when I got older and questioned everything he slowly changed. I was never good enough. And he made sure I knew I was a disappointment. There is so much more to it but I had to go no contact.
In my family, it's mostly my mom. She always has to be right, she's constantly listening to these preachers (in her case, end times "prophets"), and she argues about everything. My dad just thinks I've lost my salvation because I criticized Israel's actions in Gaza and the West Bank. Fundamentalists and going to fundamentalist, and I don't know if they'll ever be willing to change their minds. This was painful to watch because it hits so close to home. Katy, thank you for sharing your story. It's always good to know we're not alone in this kind of thing. And your cinematography is beautiful!
I see so many parallels when it comes to intergenerational trauma and history that could be made; just replace the immigrant experience of what is true for the older generations vs. the new that want to move on and have a different kind of relationship. You can see how the father doesn't want to let the most minute things go, down to laundry detergent scoops. There's more to the father/son wound that he has that has yet to be spoken or understood. And maybe the generation gap will always be there. Story older than time.
I'm only about 20 minutes into this, but I had to pause. My mom's side of the tree is deeply religious. I had an aunt post a bible verse promoting prayer over hand-washing and other precautions during the height of the Covid-19 pandemic. I remember being treated like the bad guy when I pointed out it wasn't safe for her not to take basic safety measures. I told my aunt that I loved her, but I didn't think God would want her to forgo the use of her brain. It is absolutely frustrating in the extreme to deal with things like this from the people you care about. I still don't know how to bridge the gap.
What is it about the tales of religion that can capture people like her father, who is a science teacher? Is it something in some people’s brain, that once’s they are attached to these mystical stories, that there is nothing to snap them out of it, no matter how smart or educated they are? I was raised catholic, and at a very young age I noticed how hypocritical, cold and mean many of these people were. My mom was always pushing me about the catholic religion, where I had both my children do their communion, because I thought it was part of my culture and that was what I suppose to do. I even became friends with religious people, and they were so mean and controlling. Then I started to question, why I keep trying to follow a religion that doesn’t sit well with me and where I basically disagree with pretty much everything they say? I have always loved science and intrigue with science, but no one ever talked about it when I was growing up. It has been 20 or more years that I no longer consider myself catholic. It was such a relief. Of course my mom isn’t too happy about it, but we still love each other and talk about everything except religion. Even though I had my children, who are
This video does a great disservice to the viewers. It puts belief in God as being opposite to belief in science. Never mentioning the foundational point that, scientifically proves that God exists. "Lifeless inert matter cannot demonstrate intentional, patterned, goal ordered behavior, randoml or accidentally."
Those wanting to counter this have only two options:
1) The evolutionary process simply took a long time to come to this point randomly. This is impossible because millions of evolutionary changes that are said to have needed. They would have had to change along a straight line continuum of change to produce modern man. That is like a thousand sided die showing the same number one million times in a row.
2) Lifeless matter (Atoms) cannot move. An external force must move them. Patterned movement means awareness in the external force of the pattern. Consciousness. Planetary orbits. The earth is moving forward in a patterned orbital path, and not being pulled into the sun by the sun's much stronger gravitational pull, as it should be. A force external to both is preventing it.
3) It is impossible for offspring to possess genes neither parent had to contribute. Unfortunately t
I know these types of men, always right, talking over your words. The preaching on the tv - is that the entertainment like the nightly news or does it run continuously? At the end of the film I just sighed and said, " I hope she finds peace"
Katy Scroggin's differences with her fundamentalist father remind me of the classic memoir by Edmund Grosse, FATHER AND SON (1907). It describes with humor and love the tension between the Victorian father's anti-evolutionist and anti-Darwinist religious views and the son's acceptance of scientific findings. I highly recommend that Ms. Scroggin read the memoir.
This left me feeling deflated and sad. What so many men do in their quest to be right, is they forget the people they injure along the way. And every single person in this family has been injured by this man. There is still love, because biological ties are almost mythical in their strength. But at what cost? I see a daughter and a teenager whose confidence has been eroded. I see another daughter who is unbelievably trepidatious about a conversation with her father. I see a woman who stays in a marriage that doesn't provide the love or respect she deserves as a human being. This man says he has no problems with friends and colleagues, but does at home. Those friends and colleagues haven't had a lifetime of being told how wrong they are for being who they are. He will leave this world having left deep scars with no regret.
As someone who grew up in a heavily practicing Catholic household, this totally resonated with me as I have similar convos with older family members. I respect the filmaker working to not fully vilify her father but to make this a profile of how family relationships shift as you get older and embrace your own beliefs vs the ones you were raised around.
Dude is caught by his magical thinking. It was taught to him, but still, he seems to want magic.
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I enjoyed Andrew's addition to the family narrative & illustrating his relationship with his grandfather.
Bravo, Katy, though!
Communication is tough. We can only continue to try with those we love.
Those wanting to counter this have only two options:
1) The evolutionary process simply took a long time to come to this point randomly. This is impossible because millions of evolutionary changes that are said to have needed. They would have had to change along a straight line continuum of change to produce modern man. That is like a thousand sided die showing the same number one million times in a row.
2) Lifeless matter (Atoms) cannot move. An external force must move them. Patterned movement means awareness in the external force of the pattern. Consciousness. Planetary orbits. The earth is moving forward in a patterned orbital path, and not being pulled into the sun by the sun's much stronger gravitational pull, as it should be. A force external to both is preventing it.
3) It is impossible for offspring to possess genes neither parent had to contribute. Unfortunately t